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Post by rapunzel77 on Apr 21, 2014 9:20:19 GMT -5
I am curious about Jarlaxle's reactions in this book. He is so hard to figure out which is part of the appeal I suppose. Salvatore mentioned in an answer to a question I asked that Jarlaxle was not one of the "evil" Drow but when did that shift occur? It would seem his transformation was early on although in order to survive, he had to go along with Vierna and Matron Banere when they attacked Mithral Hall.
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Post by Robillard on Apr 21, 2014 9:33:30 GMT -5
Bob has entertained the idea of writing an early novel covering Jarlaxle's past and relationship with Drizzt's Father... Which leads me to believe that along with the betrayal of his family (I don't want to spoil that if you haven't read it yet, but lets just say Jarlaxle and his family are not exactly friends) perhaps his time with Zak helped to shape him and make him see the light...?
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Post by rapunzel77 on Apr 21, 2014 9:42:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I've read the Sellswords trilogy so I know what you are referring to. It would be good to get more back story. Perhaps we will get more little by little. I felt that there wasn't enough of Jarlaxle in Night of the Hunter. That said, I think his change was more due to Drizzt's example than anything else that helped turn him, especially in his reactions to being forced to fight Entreri again in the Legacy and the Silent Blade. In addition, Drizzt, normally stoic and not prone to revealing his emotions to other people, except for his closest friends/family, revealed a VERY vulnerable side at the end of the Ghost King. I'm sure that Jarlaxle never witnessed a drow react to grief so emotionally as Drizzt did at the end. In fact, I'm not sure he ever saw a drow actually exhibit grief.
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Post by Robillard on Apr 23, 2014 13:21:03 GMT -5
I still stand by my thoughts that Jarlaxle had entertained thoughts of breaking free of Drow society long before the current timeline, but something (perhaps his family: a crazy matron mother with an archmage at her disposal and an army of thousands and lets not forget his elite siblings who can commune with a goddess...) held him back, kept him chained to his society... He has learned to play the 'game' so well because it was the way he survived. He hid the fact that he was different rather than embracing it like Drizzt and now he's in so deep he can hardly see the way out of his own illusions...
I think he keeps Artemis close because Artemis is the opposite of himself. Artemis makes no secrets about who he is and what he wants. He may not like who he is, but he accepts it and that is something Jarlaxle has never been able to do. He says things constantly about sure of himself he is, but deep inside there is something missing in Jarlaxle.
Jarlaxle and Zak couldn't do it. They were in too deep. But perhaps if he sticks to Drizzt... He can at least experience the other side from afar even if he can never attain it...
Again, that's just my stick.
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Post by rapunzel77 on Apr 23, 2014 16:04:01 GMT -5
That quote by Jarlaxle from Gauntlgrym is to me very cryptic. He hints that other Drow men have similar thoughts to Jarlaxle but since that book, I've seen no hint that it is the case. Where are these Drow who secretly admire Drizzt? I suppose there is a tiny hint in Night of the Hunter but I've yet to see it.
In regards to Jarlaxle breaking free, he's been able to in some ways (leader of Bregan d' aerthe, goes on adventures on the surface, etc) and has given other Drow some tiny measure of freedom although they are still under the matriarchal thumbs. I really want to see a huge shake up in Menzoberranzan, especially some liberation for the Drow fellas but we can only wait and see.
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Post by Lore on May 19, 2014 5:05:12 GMT -5
I don't think that Jarlaxle is truly evil but I would not say that he is a good person, either. I think that he is very much pragmatic and self-serving. Even when he does something that might be considered selfless it still manages to turn out positive for him. I also wouldn't say that Jarlaxle has been influenced by any one drow but I do have to agree with Robillard concerning his relationship with Zak. Drizzt's father is likely the first positive influence he had in his life and I can definitely see his mother being a major influence in his remaining in the City of Spiders because while she did not care whether he lived or died, she also wanted him nearby not just for her benefit but also to keep an eye on him as well.
Drizzt has obviously been a big influence in his life but I also feel like Entreri also had a hand in that. I like Robillard's description of how the two are opposite in how they present themselves (yet they are still very much the same, as well) and I think that Jarlaxle admired the assassin's brazen acceptance of his life and the sort of person he became. Yet I also sense a bit of apprehension on Jarlaxle's part in not wanting to leave something that he is so good at which is the dark game played by drow society even while desiring something more. It is not always easy to leave our comfort zones even if we're not necessarily comfortable staying.
So while it may seem like a cheap way out, I think Jarlaxle is more neutral than anything else or at the very most, undecided. I think Jarlaxle's sublime pragmatism allows him to jump from one alignment's gray area to another as he very much seems to act according to his current situation rather than weigh his choices based on a moral compass the way someone like Drizzt or Entreri would.
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Post by Kaytin on Jun 28, 2014 1:43:08 GMT -5
I don't think that Jarlaxle is truly evil but I would not say that he is a good person, either. I think that he is very much pragmatic and self-serving. Even when he does something that might be considered selfless it still manages to turn out positive for him. I also wouldn't say that Jarlaxle has been influenced by any one drow but I do have to agree with Robillard concerning his relationship with Zak. Drizzt's father is likely the first positive influence he had in his life and I can definitely see his mother being a major influence in his remaining in the City of Spiders because while she did not care whether he lived or died, she also wanted him nearby not just for her benefit but also to keep an eye on him as well. Drizzt has obviously been a big influence in his life but I also feel like Entreri also had a hand in that. I like Robillard's description of how the two are opposite in how they present themselves (yet they are still very much the same, as well) and I think that Jarlaxle admired the assassin's brazen acceptance of his life and the sort of person he became. Yet I also sense a bit of apprehension on Jarlaxle's part in not wanting to leave something that he is so good at which is the dark game played by drow society even while desiring something more. It is not always easy to leave our comfort zones even if we're not necessarily comfortable staying. So while it may seem like a cheap way out, I think Jarlaxle is more neutral than anything else or at the very most, undecided. I think Jarlaxle's sublime pragmatism allows him to jump from one alignment's gray area to another as he very much seems to act according to his current situation rather than weigh his choices based on a moral compass the way someone like Drizzt or Entreri would. Very well put. It's one of the major reasons that Jarlaxle remains on of my favorite characters in fantasy.
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Post by Carcer on Aug 18, 2014 11:50:02 GMT -5
I'm not keen on using the word evil to describe any character, but if I had to use it, I would say that Jarlaxle is evil. Yes, he's charming and he's likeable, and that's why he's more dangerous than his brothers and sisters. He's the kind of person you want to trust, that you want to think the best of, that you want to believe could be your friend. But he's not like Drizzt without the angst. He's like Drizzt without the conscience.
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Post by belwar on Sept 15, 2014 17:50:01 GMT -5
Hopefully I'm not reviving a thread that's too old, but honestly I don't think Jarlaxle OR Artemis are evil. I think they've done evil things and have lead evil lives but I feel like both of them are moving closer and closer to just being bad people and not so much "evil". The more you read about Jarlaxle, the more you see him do things that are against his pragmatism, like the amount of times he could have killed "friends" and enemies alike but let them live; and for what reason? It seems like he is just indifferent to life but with his conscience pulling him ever closer to the "good" alignment. Even with Artemis, you see a change in Charons Claw and after that, although not wanting to become a goodly ranger, or anything of the like, that he could see himself not being so evil.
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Post by Bruenor Battlehammer on Apr 11, 2018 12:41:09 GMT -5
Jarlaxle is not evil.
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